Anyone entering the United States, even from Canada, the Caribbean, or
Mexico, will need a passport beginning January 8. This will be true
even for infants; the old cut-off was 14. Also, a child needs the
permission of both parents to get a passport, which should be all kinds
of fun for single parents.

This is not the appropriate forum to discuss the wisdom of this policy.
Pilots should be aware of the rules, though, especially if they are
planning any international flights next year.

On 4 Sep 2006 23:36:03 -0700, "cjcampbell"
> wrote:

>Also, a child needs the
>permission of both parents to get a passport, which should be all kinds
>of fun for single parents.

Indeed it is, and rightly so. In fact if you are traveling with one
child, you must have documentation with you, with the other parent
giving permission for the trip. Grandparents etc need documentation
from both parents.

This has been the case for several years, the consequence of several
parental kidnappings by Arab fathers of U.S.-born children. (No doubt
there were other similar cases, but the notorious ones had that
particular mix.)

cjcampbell wrote:
> Anyone entering the United States, even from Canada, the Caribbean, or
> Mexico, will need a passport beginning January 8.

Just in case you want to fly over the border and drive back <g>:

Note that this deadline is for air and sea travel only. There's
another year before land travel (Canada and Mexico) is involved.

Kev

It is common for people in El Paso to go to lunch and/or shop in
Juarez. They usually just go through customs with a smile and a wave.
This is true going the other way, though US Customs is a little more
thorough. (Makes me wonder just what the purpose of the proposed fence
and border patrol is, you can just WALK ACROSS THE BRIDGE!). Anyway,
are these people going to need passports? Don't think so.

My pet peeve has always been having to pay $25 to get back into my own
country (by air).

Don't wait until the last minute to get one

http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_1738.html

Doug wrote:

> My pet peeve has always been having to pay $25 to get back into my own
> country (by air).

What is this $25? Is it added to the airline ticket price? I don't
recall ever paying any such fee upon returning by air to the US, and I
don't recall seeing it disclosed as such on the ticket price.

-jav

> What is this $25? Is it added to the airline ticket price? I don't recall ever paying any such fee upon returning by air to the US, and I don't recall seeing it disclosed as such on the ticket price.

From the Dominican Republic it's $20, cash, American dollars. It's
collected in the Dominican Republic, and they don't accept Domincan money.

Jose
--
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jose wrote:
>> What is this $25? Is it added to the airline ticket price? I don't
>> recall ever paying any such fee upon returning by air to the US, and I
>> don't recall seeing it disclosed as such on the ticket price.
>
> From the Dominican Republic it's $20, cash, American dollars. It's
> collected in the Dominican Republic, and they don't accept Domincan money.

Is the DR collecting that tax on behalf of the US? I've paid departure
taxes before, but they're a local issue.

-jav

> Is the DR collecting that tax on behalf of the US? I've paid departure taxes before, but they're a local issue.

I don't know. I would guess so, but my guess is as good as any.

Jose
--
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Private aircraft fee, the airlines are covered. Private
aircraft can get a window sticker to show they've paid the
annual fee.



"Javier" > wrote in message
...
| Doug wrote:
|
| > My pet peeve has always been having to pay $25 to get
back into my own
| > country (by air).
|
| What is this $25? Is it added to the airline ticket price?
I don't
| recall ever paying any such fee upon returning by air to
the US, and I
| don't recall seeing it disclosed as such on the ticket
price.
|
| -jav
|

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/pleasure_boats/user_fee/user_fee_decal.xml

Covers aircraft also.




"Jose" > wrote in message
t...
|> Is the DR collecting that tax on behalf of the US? I've
paid departure taxes before, but they're a local issue.
|
| I don't know. I would guess so, but my guess is as good
as any.
|
| Jose
| --
| The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the
music.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Doug wrote:
> My pet peeve has always been having to pay $25 to get back into my own
> country (by air).

The $25 is an annual fee that allows you to reenter the U.S. from any
country as often as you like in the calendar year.

-Robert

Doug wrote:
> It is common for people in El Paso to go to lunch and/or shop in
> Juarez. They usually just go through customs with a smile and a wave.
> This is true going the other way, though US Customs is a little more
> thorough. (Makes me wonder just what the purpose of the proposed fence
> and border patrol is, you can just WALK ACROSS THE BRIDGE!). Anyway,
> are these people going to need passports? Don't think so.

YES WE WILL NEED A PASSPORT IN 2008 TO COME BACK FROM MEXICO OR CANADA.

That's the whole point of this sorry new regulation by the
administration. It's supposed to stop terrorists. But it's just going
to screw up border towns. Another win-win for the enemy against
personal freedom.

Mind you, I have my passport, so I'm not affected. But lots will be,
and I bet the 2008 deadline gets pushed way back, or even dropped if
the Republicans get kicked out.

Otherwise, as someone else mentioned, if you do any traveling to the
Caribbean, Bermuda, etc, please get your passport NOW before the rush
starts. That deadline is this coming January 2007.

Kev

Javier wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>
> > My pet peeve has always been having to pay $25 to get back into my own
> > country (by air).
>
> What is this $25? Is it added to the airline ticket price? I don't
> recall ever paying any such fee upon returning by air to the US, and I
> don't recall seeing it disclosed as such on the ticket price.
>
> -jav


This is the annual fee for the U.S. customs decal. I have heard that
many officers simply waive the decal. I've never had such luck. I have
always received good service, so I don't have reasons to complain.

Yea, this sucks. I've got to spend almost $400 to get passports for my
wife and two small boys. I hope some bureaucrat has secured himself a
nice job and pension making sure my 10 year old isn't a threat to
national security.

-Robert


cjcampbell wrote:
> Anyone entering the United States, even from Canada, the Caribbean, or
> Mexico, will need a passport beginning January 8. This will be true
> even for infants; the old cut-off was 14. Also, a child needs the
> permission of both parents to get a passport, which should be all kinds
> of fun for single parents.
>
> This is not the appropriate forum to discuss the wisdom of this policy.
> Pilots should be aware of the rules, though, especially if they are
> planning any international flights next year.

"Kev" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Mind you, I have my passport, so I'm not affected. But lots will be,
> and I bet the 2008 deadline gets pushed way back, or even dropped if
> the Republicans get kicked out.

It will probably be pushed back to November 5th, 2008.

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> Yea, this sucks. I've got to spend almost $400 to get passports for my
> wife and two small boys. I hope some bureaucrat has secured himself a
> nice job and pension making sure my 10 year old isn't a threat to
> national security.
>

By definition, all 10 year old boys are a threat to national security.
:-)

On 5 Sep 2006 10:45:45 -0700, "Kev" > wrote:

>YES WE WILL NEED A PASSPORT IN 2008 TO COME BACK FROM MEXICO OR CANADA.

And long overdue! What absolute stupidity to moan about illegal
immigration and not require a passport at the border.

Why have passports at JFK, if you're not going to require them at the
crossing from Jaurez? Why have passports at all? Maybe we could
persuade Kofi Anna to take this up as the UN's next great cause:
abolish passports! Let all the world travel where it will!

This is a cause that can unite all the kooks in the world, left-wing
and right-wing.

"Cubdriver" <usenet AT danford.net> wrote in message
...
> This is a cause that can unite all the kooks in the world, left-wing
> and right-wing.

High-wing (low-life Cessna types) , low-wing...

Cubdriver wrote:
> On 5 Sep 2006 10:45:45 -0700, "Kev" > wrote:
>
> >YES WE WILL NEED A PASSPORT IN 2008 TO COME BACK FROM MEXICO OR CANADA.
>
> And long overdue! What absolute stupidity to moan about illegal
> immigration and not require a passport at the border.
>
> Why have passports at JFK, if you're not going to require them at the
> crossing from Jaurez?

Because Mexico has very strick immigration laws. It would be much
easier for a terrorist to enter the U.S. at JFK than in Mexico. Mexico
takes a very strict stance on immigration and visitors that are
suspect. They aren't as wimpy as Americans when it comes to protecting
their boarders.

-Robert

In article om>,
"Robert M. Gary" > wrote:

> Yea, this sucks. I've got to spend almost $400 to get passports for my
> wife and two small boys. I hope some bureaucrat has secured himself a
> nice job and pension making sure my 10 year old isn't a threat to
> national security.

And their passports are only good for five years.

In article >,
(Ron Lee) wrote:

> Don't wait until the last minute to get one
>
> http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_1738.html

I have found the online form to be easier to complete than the paper
form. The online form prompts you for only the information that it
needs. When you have filled in all the blanks, it provides you with a
PDF file that you can print. Add two photographs, checks and you are
good to go.
You can check the status of your application online a week after
submitting your application. It will tell you when to expect delivery of
your completed passport.
Our family submitted our applications last month. There was a family of
four ahead of us, our family of four, and another family of three in
line behind us, all applying for our passports.
The postoffice guys had to call for extra help for the folks who wanted
to mail things.

Robert M. Gary wrote:

> They aren't as wimpy as Americans when it comes to protecting
> their boarders.

interesting freudian slip :-)

--Sylvain

Sylvain wrote:
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>
>> They aren't as wimpy as Americans when it comes to protecting
>> their boarders.
>
> interesting freudian slip :-)


Slips can be very revealing.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com